Posts by Nathan Natas

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Help needed with 14 year old teenager who has gang (Krips) ties.....

by skeeter1 in

this is long, sorry.

my 14 year old niece came to visit us this week.

she's being raised by her grandparents (ex-jws) and birth mother (ex-jw).

Nathan Natas

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Would Your Family Stone You to Death?

by cofty in

ot law required jews to take the lead in stoning a family member who became apostate.. the watchtower has lamented the fact that the law of the land now forbids them from doing so.. if the law permitted it, as it does in some musim countries, and if the watchtower required it, would your family obey?.

my parents are good people and i believe their love for me is genuine, but i think they would follow orders.. what about yours?.

Nathan Natas

I believe they would, unhesitatingly, because my existence shows that they are fools. I was "supposed" to die in 1975, but suddenly, NOTHING HAPPENED.

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I'm not gay, but

by FL_Panthers in

you ever seen a guy that you thought, " i'm not gay but hey!

i like the cut of his jib"?.

well here's the: blokes i'd like to "yenz" thread.

Nathan Natas

I have used the phrase " I like the cut of his jib," but I wasn't staring at his jib when I said it.

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The great poet Maya Angelou passes

by designs in

her life embodied how the human spirit can rise from crushing conditions to mentor, role model and teacher.. she went mute for 5 years after being raped at the age of 9. in that time she found her inner spirit to write and speak for others.. her life course went from working in brothels to teaching in universites.

from broken home to addressing the nation at william clinton's inaugeration.. her poems touched millions of lives.

i know why the caged bird sings; on the pulse of morning; a brave and startling truth:.

Nathan Natas

roses are red

apples are 2

maya is dead

i m so blue

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The List, by "Prominent Bethelite"

by morloc in

i occasionally pop through here to catch up on the latest, but this time i'm going to pop my own post on here.. some of you internet oldsters may even remember this.

my first experience on the internet regarding discussions about jehovah's witnesses and the watchtower took place on a now-obscure usenet group, before i eventually stumbled across hourglass2.. during those days, there was a poster who went by the name "prominent bethelite," an otherwise anonymous individual whom i remember most for an extensive, exhaustive compilation of date-oriented remarks, predictions, and expectations by the watchtower organization down through the decades of its history.. it became known as "the list" and it's definitely lengthy... but a fascination look at the abundance of errant statements made through the watchtower's history.. if you're curious, it's been available for a long time on hourglass2's site, and can be seen using the link provided below.. the list, compiled by prominent bethelite (1999).

that's about it for this stop through here.

Nathan Natas

THANK YOU! I had never heard of this before, it's a nice resource to have.

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Ray Franz - is he REALLY a hero?

by baltar447 in

jw
friends

on one hand, he's enlightnened many to the internal circle jerk that is the governing body (circa the 70s).. but if there's one reason that can be pointed to for the jws becoming full on cult, it's ray franz.

without him leaving in the manner he did, and stirring the pot, they might not have change the rule (retroatively i might add) on shunning of disassociated ones.

they specifically changed that so they could remove him and eliminate his influence.. his actions single handedly have created the situation where we have to fade, evade, leave marriages, say goodbye to family, just because we don't buy the jw bullsh!t anymore.

Nathan Natas

I'm not a "Fan of Franz" for my own reasons, but I think that in addition to being completely incorrect about when disfellowshipping began in the WTB&TS, you are also making a mistake by blaming Franz for actions taken by the WTB&TS. Generally speaking it is "he who done the deed" who bears resnsibility for it.

Franz is also not the reason the Beatles broke up.

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Well, what can you say???? I am speechless.

by DATA-DOG in

exhibit a:.

awake!

"if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

Nathan Natas

I agree with mrquik; I feel pretty bad now, I can't imagine how much worse I'd feel if I was getting older too...

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My wife is never going to wake up.

by marriedtoajw in

jw
friends

what do you do when you believe in your heart that your spouse is never going to wake up to the tatt?

when you're sick of the cherade of pretending you can deal with the spiritual division when you dont think you can anymore.

when you're convinced that your spouse is so decieved she is lost in a desert and is fine with living by the mirage.

Nathan Natas

Hi marriedtoajw,

The truth is that you can't save anybody else until you save yourself.

Right now it is almost like you want them to wake up so that YOU feel better.

I can appreciate the way this pains you, and I will admit that I personally have not gone through anything like this.

People who survive calamities sometimes - maybe often - suffer "survivor's guilt." It might help if you can discuss your feelings with a psychologist who has some training or experience in PTSD or cult deprogramming. There's not much point in talking to a counselor who is looking at you as though you were something he's never seen before.

I *did* have the experience of having a psychiatrist FALL ASLEEP while I was blathering away. In a way, even that helped me a little; more than any of the meds ever did! Ever notice that many times the side effects of the popular psychiatric meds is to make the patient depressed, fat and disengaged? try to resist meds if you can.

On the other hand, don't refuse the meds - they might help. Keep a diary (it can be encrypted on your computer if you have problems with family snoops) and record how you're feeling and what you're thinking each day... not a "stream-of-consciousness" monologue; that would take 24x7x365 - just a summary of major themes so you can review them from time-to-time too SEE if there has been some improvement. It's too easy to trick yourself into thinking that the wqay you feel now is the way you've "always felt."

Find comfort in the knowledge that others have freed themselves and you can too. Then you will be an example to your family.

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